TRANS AND NON-BINARY? WHAT THE!!?!? (ft. ASH HARDELL)


Chase: We’re about to talk about nonbinary things, and the way that I intro my videos- Hey guys! It’s me. Chaseypoo. Chase: I just shot myself
Ash: I already feel excluded Chase: [cackles] I already shot myself in the foot, bye! [intro music] Chase: Today I am going to be talking to you by myself apparently about nonbinary things and trans things. And if my co-host for this… very beautiful video would- [laughs] [whoop] back up! [both laughing] Ash: Hey folks! It’s me! Chase: I can’t afford the sound effects, so I made the sound effect myself. [woooop] [laughing] Chase: Who are you? [laughs] Ash: My name is Ash. I… am… a person. I make videos online about LGBT education.
Chase: Yep Ash: Um, I recently came out as genderqueer, as trans, as non-binary, as a whole bunch of squiggly cool words. Chase: But wait. Ash: Mhm
Chase: But Wait. Ash: Yes
Chase: Did you just say trans AND non-binary? Ash: That- that is me. Chase: What the-?
Ash: Yep, mhm. Chase: Yeah, so today we’re going to talk about how you can identify as non-binary and as trans at the same time, and how that’s okay. ‘Cause there’s a lot of things that happen in this community. A lot of people that like… Like gatekeep, or like give attitude to people who are non-binary. And say that non-binary people shouldn’t be under the trans umbrella. And you should just be non-binary or trans, like you can’t… [claps] Chase: can’t… be together.
Ash: mhm, mhm. Chase: So I want to talk to you about that because it’s an interesting topic to have, and I’ve talked about a lot of non-binary things on my channel before which is fun, and it’s really great. Ash: mhm. Chase: But people get mad at me. Ash: They get mad at you? Chase: Oh my god. Ash: Because why? Because you’re talking alone without a non-binary? Ash: without a non-binary-
Chase: no [laughs] Chase: They get mad at me because they don’t believe what I’m saying. And it’s not because I’m trans or whatever, it’s just, they’re just like… Non-binary people don’t exist. Ash: They don’t exist?
Chase: Yeah. Ash: So your audience isn’t very like… open to it or accepting? Chase: Oh no, my audience is great, it’s just the people who find that video Chase: somehow
Ash: Oooh, okay. I see, I see. Chase: I have no idea.
Ash: The little people who… go down the YouTube rabbit hole, kind of looking for this thing? Chase: They’re like-
Ash: They’re like [murmurmurmurmur] Chase: Let me look at non-binary cringe. Ash: Yes!
Chase: Yeah those are the people that I get comments, So when I get comments on that, like “are non-binary people real?” I don’t even look at the comments because they’re all bad. Ash: Yeah.
Chase: It’s sad! Ash: Yeah, it is sad.
Chase: Yeah. Ash: That’s what kept me closeted for so long! Chase: Oh no, tell me. Ash: Well, just like…
Chase: Talk to us. Ash: Just like, internalised… Um… I don’t know what you would call it? Chase: Nonphobia, Nonphobia [laughs] Ash: Nonphobia [laughs] Internalised nonphobia because I am amazing, I have no phobias. Chase: None. Ash: No, internalised… What would you call it? Nonbinary-phobia? Chase: Yeah
Ash: Or… what do you call it… Ash: I mean I guess it would just be called, if you consider non-binary under the trans umbrella, then it would just be like transitively transphobia. Chase: Yeah
Ash: But yeah so it was just like internalised… …ish. Ash: I feel so different like, I don’t know, it feels very niche, very unique. And I recevie a lot of comments that are from, you know, the haters. Chase: mhm shout out to the haters. [Chase laughing] Ash: But I’m really sus- I’m really susceptible to that stuff!
Chase: For real though. Ash: Like, even though I wish I wasn’t, and even though that’s not what I preach, like I preach that your identity is valid and we shouldn’t gatekeep and things like that, and that’s really what I believe, but when people talk about my identity to me, every day, it can’t help but sneak into my psyche. So for a really long time, I knew I… thought non-binary identities were valid, and a part of me definitely knew I was non-binary, but I really tried to push it off. Because… Because I internalised everything I read and because… I didn’t want the negative attention, and because I thought maybe I could just like ignore that part of myself. Maybe it’s managable to not.. Ash: Um…
Chase: Come out? Ash: Yes.
Chase: And tell people? Ash: And be, yeah, me. Chase: Be you inside, but not outside.
Ash: Yeah. Ash: Or even, be me inside. Like I could, I was just trying really hard to pretend that wasn’t the case. Because like I was doing okay. I wasn’t like… For a while I was doing okay. Chase: Oh no
Ash: Like I wasn’t like super happy, Ash: I was like dealing with a lot, I was going to gender therapy, I was thinking… about… it was always in the back of my mind. I was hanging in there. Ash: I was doing okay.
Chase: You’re not you. Ash: Right, mhm. And I thought well if I’m hanging in there now, I can just hang in there forever. Chase: [understanding noise]
Ash: Isn’t that sad? Ash: I know! But then, but then one day… I wanted to do more than just hang in there. Chase: You wanted to
Ash: Like, be happy, be totally me. Chase: Yeah, makes sense.
Ash: And so, I thought about that. And then, Ash: I became too scared to actually do it. And then… and then I got to this point where I was like… No. Um, I’m not happy, this isn’t okay. It wasn’t like, it wasn’t manageable. It was actually pretty miserable for a while. So then I was like okay I have to like…. Chase: Accept it?
Ash: Yeah. Chase: Come out?
Ash: Mhm Ash: So all the, like, non-binary transphobia is kept me closeted for so long ’cause I really didn’t want to deal with it. I wasn’t looking for that kind of attention. I wasn’t looking for like… Guys I am non-binary, this is my struggle, this is like my… My, my… whaever. I think a lot of people think that’s why non-binary people are the way they are, and come out. Chase: Yes.
Ash: Because they don’t think it’s real. Ash: That they want these oppression points, that they want… I don’t know, to be special, they want to be a snowflake. Chase: and-
Ash: I want the opposite. [both laughing]
Chase: Which is not what you got, because you have people making videos about you and talking about like… “Oh now you’re trans?” “And you were non-binary before you can’t be both.” and they’re just kind of… Ash: Yeah
Chase: All the things that you internalised, Chase: they’re now saying to you, and you knew this was going to happen and you’re like ‘can I just live my life?’ Ash: Yes!
Chase: Being a content creator ™ Ash: mhm
Chase: You can’t live your life, Chase: everything is online, which is okay
Ash: Right, mhm Chase: But it would be okay if there wasn’t people who were just like… at the throat of your identity every single day, being like “actually you aren’t like this ’cause this doesn’t exist” It’s like.. but I am telling you how I feel. Ash: And there’s no way to convince you! You can’t prove something that can’t be proven. There’s no like test I can do to be like ‘see, I am non-binary’ [Chase laughing]
Ash: I can’t like do a genetic thing Ash: Or like, I can’t like show you that I’m- you either have to believe me or you don’t. And that’s just where we are. Ash: There’s nothing that can be done.
Chase: Yeah. Ash: mhm
Chase: But it also doesn’t hurt you to just.. go with it. Ash: Right!
Chase: Like even if you don’t believe it, just accept it. Chase: Maybe that’s a thing. [Chase laughing] Chase: You came out in like a… like a… I would say it took a long time for you to come out. Because you kind of left little bread crumbs here and there, like hint hint. Ash: I was dipping my toes in the water for sure. Chase: Yes, and I like that, I like that you kind of talked about that, but not really. Like it was like… Here’s a subtle little hint in like the bio of your book or something like that, like oh this is interesting. Ash: Oh cool
Chase: Who knows, exploring, which is great because Chase: no one really talks about like I’m confused, I don’t know who I am, let me figure it out. People usually just internalise that and ‘uh’ until eventually they’re like okay, I just got to, I just got to tell people. Ash: Yeah, and then they make a video where they’re like hey I’m starting T tomorrow and I’m getting top surgery next month. I’m trans. Chase: And then people are like ‘uh but you just transitioned’ like no it took years to get to this point. Ash: It’s been brewing. [both agreeing] Chase: And then you made a video, How many months ago? Like two months ago maybe, a month ago? Ash: yeah…
Chase: saying I’m trans. Ash: I think it was in November. I think it was in November. Ash: So I guess that would make it- November, December- yeah like two and a half months ago. Chase: So you made that video like ‘I’m trans’ and I was like Well we all knew this. [both laughing] Chase: But I think it was good that you like You said what you have been feeling for such a long time. And what a lot of people were like “I, I don’t know, like, how do you identify?” You kind of like helped people- “now oh now I know how you identify.” Ash: Yeah!
Chase: ‘Cause you were like a squiggle without a squiggle. Ash: Yeah! Chase: Like a… yeah
Ash: Sure, or yeah a squiggle and I wasn’t explicit about what words I was comfortable using. So people might be like ‘oh I don’t know actually what pronouns Ash uses.’ Chase: Yes Ash: Or… Ash has a gender? I just don’t know what it is? Chase: Yes, exactly
Ash: So I was like okay guys Ash: Like okay folks, these are the things. Chase: “folks” Ash: I know I said guys, then corrected to folks, I’m trying to really hard. Chase: Yeah I know Ash: And you say guys all the time ’cause you don’t even try or care. [surprised laugh] [whoop] [both laughing] Chase: Oh! What pronouns do you use? We should have talked about this in the beginning because people are going to be like [mimicing keyboarding clicking] But, and then I realised, it doesn’t really matter, because you are… Ash: Pronoun Indifferent!
Chase: But what is that? Ash: So I’m comfortable with any and/or all pronouns. Because I feel- you know how some people, you know how agender people, some agender people feel that they are either without gender, genderless, or they feel gender neutral. I often feel the opposite, the antithesis. Chase: All genders
Ash: I feel so much gender. Chase: Oh my gosh- I feel so much gender. Oh my god Make that someone’s senior quote, in your yearbook, I love it. Ash: I feel so much gender. Chase: Huh
Ash: mhm Ash: So, that’s why every pronoun sounds great to me, I think the only thing that would make me feel dysphoric or weird or uncomfy is when people, probably only when they exclusively and often use she pronouns Ash: because then I just feel like…
Chase: you don’t get it. Ash: That they don’t get it!
Chase: they don’t get it. Ash: And that my so-much gender is being ignored. And usually I feel a lot of gender euphoria, like I think of the living room, I think you used he for me for a second, or maybe you didn’t. Chase: I… sure, maybe.
Ash: I think you did, because [Chase laughing] Ash: I was like “yes!” Because a lot of people don’t! Because it’s easier just to stick with ‘she.’ Chase: Oh I just use ‘they.’ Ash: Yeah ‘they’ is cool too. Because a lot of people don’t use they either they just like… Just use ‘she.’ Chase: I think a lot of people don’t know how to use ‘they.’ Ash: Yeah
Chase: So I have Zuzia in my life, who is like super non-binary, super ‘they’ Chase: And I’ve learned how to use ‘they’ for them, So now when someone is like ‘they’, I’m like, it clicks right away in my head, so that’s what I use all the time. So it’s easy for me to use that for you. Ash: Right, mhm.
Chase: Yes. Chase: But if you were like ‘actually can you use these pronouns?’ okay. Whatever you want. Whatever makes you comfortable. Chase: Who cares about me.
Ash: Right and like Chase: and my comfort level.
Ash: [scoffs] I don’t care about you. [both laughing] Chase: I keep interrupting like who cares about me and my comfort level as I’m interrupting you, wow. Ash: No, you’re fine. Sometimes I get excited, So I might actually interrupt you a lot and there will be comments like “Ash let Chase talk!” Like I get that a lot. Chase: Oh my god no I [stutters] sometimes I um “you talk over Aaron all the time” on the Podcast but I’m like but we were having a conversation. Chase: it was- it was…
Ash: They’re passionate and reading into it Chase: [yodelling noise] [whoop] Ash: I’m not offended if you interrupt me. Next time I’ll whoop out Chase: Ok good. Ash: I think in a perfect world though, like, every pronoun this is so much to ask for people, which is why I don’t ask it, but like every pronoun would be used like interchangeably and equally. But like that’s not gonna- I could never, I don’t think I could ever expect that from anyone obviously. Chase: In your life for you, or for everyone? Ash: For me. Just for me. Chase: ‘Cause I’m like [unsure noises] Ash: No no no. No no no, you can use- no you can use
[Chase laughing] Ash: You can and should use whatever pronoun- I give you permission to, you’re welcome. Chase: Thank you
Ash: Whatever pronoun you like. Ash: For me, like it would be dope if like ‘she’s and ‘he’s and ‘they’s were like… Chase: literally Ash: all being used to refer to me all the time, mixing it up. Chase: And it wouldn’t confuse people. ‘Cause I feel like a lot of people are like ‘but that’s confusing, ’cause then who are you talking about’ Ash: Fair enough, like, I suppose you’re right. But I feel like it would get… It wouldn’t be confusing with a little practice. And if you like, I don’t know, got to know me and things like that. I used to think that ‘they’ pronouns were really hard. Chase: Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Ash: Until I hung out with Chandler. Because then I had to exclusively- [stutters] It was just like jumping in the pool, like I was thrown in the pool. Ash: You know?
Chase: Oh yeah. Ash: I didn’t have the practice, I didn’t know ‘how to swim’ With just ‘them, they’ pronouns. Ash: And then I had to!
Chase: Yeah. Ash: ’cause that’s, those are the pronouns they use,
Chase: Yes. Ash: And it was actually much easier than… I still mess up sometimes, But it was much easier than I expected, I feel like people just get intimidated, so they don’t try.
Chase: Yes. Ash: If you try it’s actually quite a bit easier, like try it for two days. Chase: I literally have an entire video on how to start using ‘they’ pronouns. I used Zuzia as an example because I kept messing up because I didn’t know how to do it, so in my head I was like “Zuzia, they, Zuzia, they” Nonstop saying the name with ‘they.’ Ash: Yeah!
Chase: So now I always associate them with ‘they’ So now I don’t mess up and when other people say like ‘she’ or something, I’m like ‘they’ right away like it just comes out I’m like oh Reflex [laughing] So, tell me. Ash: mhm
Chase: Tell me a thing. Chase: Why do you identify as trans also? Like why did you make a video titled “I’m trans” Why did you do that? And I’m not, I’m not being a mean person right now, I’m literally asking because people are going to be like “But you’re non-binary.” Like and “you’re using interchangeable pronouns, that means you’re not trans.” Tell the people, I know why, I’m just…. come on guys come on. guys- oh. [laughing] Ash: To me, trans means being a gender that isn’t the same as the sex and/or gender you were assigned at birth. Chase: Yes thats, yep. Ash: So that’s what I am. So I’m trans. And for a long time, I would say I was questioning or queer, And… For a long time, I convinced myself that I just wasn’t comfortable using the word trans. It actually just came from a lot of internalised transphobia. I didn’t feel trans enough. Finally, Chase: [whoop] out of this world is- I just I just- I’ve been talking about this whole not feeling trans enough for literally like 7 years and it’s just… It’s still a thing. Ash: I- yeah.
Chase: It just sucks. Ash: So it came in phases, so first I truly like had these internalised psyche ideas that I wasn’t trans enough, then finally I said screw that, I am trans because I fit the definition of trans, and I feel trans, so, then I accepted it within myself. But then I thought, phase 2, well I’m still not going to come out because I’m going to get a ton of shit and I just don’t want to deal with it. So I was trying to fly under the radar. and then I was like aw this feels miserable, okay be yourself. So those were like all the phases. So yeah I feel trans just because I fit the definition of trans. And, sometimes I think that there’s like this… little magic about a word that either clicks with a person or doesn’t click. Chase: mmmm
Ash: It’s kind of like why some people prefer to call themselves pan versus bi, versus multisexual. Some words just feel like you and some words don’t. Even if definitonally they fit you, Or they’re like synonyms to each other, you still might prefer one word versus another. So another reason that I identify with trans is ’cause it feels right to me. Other non-binary people might not identify with trans. Even if, I don’t know, technically they would kind of fit the definiton. Chase: Yeah, no, I know a bunch of people who… are non-binary but don’t identify as trans. You know, like that exists and that’s fine. [stutters] That’s fine, you can be trans and non-binary and say that you’re trans, Ash: And I love when binary folks like, use their platform and use their voice to advocate for and with non-binary folks. Because we need those voices! So like I am a non-binary genderqueer human being, like, asking you right now if you’re binary, to like use your voice and be… um, an ally. I know a lot of people are worried about taking up space and things, but we need your voices. Chase: Yeah. Chase: Alright! Thank you so much for joining me. Ash: You’re very welcome. Chase: I had a lot of fun, we have so many collabs planned. So many. Chase: I’m so excited
Ash: I’m excited Chase: We’re excited. Okay. That’s it, I don’t really know what to say, if you have anything that you would like me to talk about in the future, Or maybe if we do collabs in the future again, if you come back here or I go to you, I should go to you. I’ll go to you, I’ll go to you. Then we’ll do those together. Thank you for joining me! Ash: We have uh, we have a gay bar that has a giant uh dick, It’s literally it’s massive, and you can put a quarter in it and ride it and I just like, think of you. Because I just feel like… Chase: you think of you- you think of me when you’re riding the weiner? Ash: When I’m riding the weiner I think of you. Chase: Bless that is my one life goal, I can lie down. Ash: So come to Minneapolis, ride the weiner
Chase: I will [Chase laughing] [clap] Tag line: Ride the Weiner. Chase: Ok I love you folks. Ash: I love you folks, thank you folks for watching, Chase: Have a great day
Ash: You folks are wonderful Chase: have a great
Ash: have a great Chase: Ok I love you, goodnight, goodbye [Chase lauging]

98 comments

  1. As the perspective of a cis person, ‘tis didn’t explain trans non binary very well. It was more of a collab. If non binary isn’t conforming to gender or not identifying with one, then it isn’t a gender? So how would you transition to it and make you trans? It’s literally Trans. Gender.

  2. I know someone who will not come out as asexual because of all of the stigma. I feel for them so much. I know that is not the same thing but all of the gatekeeping in this community and by outside people is quite awful.

  3. You guys so much fun to watch lol and I love the "so much gender" line. I think once I come out to more folks, that's the boat I'll be in, because right now "she/her" bother me, but some days I do feel fem, so it really clicked with me when you talked about people not getting it being the real problem. Thank you! That cleared up some weird/confusing feelings in me on pronouns.

    Note: for now I'm using They as I slowly come out, but my end game is to be comfortable with all the pro-nouns too ❤️

  4. Thank you both for the subject of this video as a fifty five year old gay man it is helping me understand the gender thing it is so wonderful that the two of you are finding happiness

  5. All the support from me, a nonbinary person!
    Also, I think the term for nonbinary fobia should be enbyfobia. 🙂

  6. Please help get the word out about this amazing book! The author has a nonbinary child and is an amazing mom and person. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/being-raven-a-nonbinary-child-s-journey-books-family/#/

  7. oof i feel like a tiny ash lmao
    I've commented on a different video about how I'm pangender & since I'm female & want to be referred to with masculine names & use pronouns similar to he/him/his I just came out to my family & school as FTM even though that's not "technically" what I am

  8. I feel the same as ash. I’m hesitant to tell anyone that I identify as non-binary bc there’s just so many people that are like “non-binary doesn’t exist” and all that and it’s just easier to not say anything

  9. traditionally this is the discription of the trans flag colours:
    "The stripes at the top and bottom are light blue, the traditional color for baby boys. The stripes next to them are pink, the traditional color for baby girls. The stripe in the middle is white, for those who are intersex, transitioning or consider themselves having a neutral or undefined gender. The pattern is such that no matter which way you fly it, it is always correct, signifying us finding correctness in our lives."

  10. I have a friend who is still figuring out her gender and I support him so much. They have tried in the past to figure out herself but he's still very unsure. My friends and I love them so so much and really just want her to know that he doesn't have to pick just one gender because like you they feel so many genders and her favourite idea that we've come up with to support him is to change pronouns when referring to them (if this comment is confusing- perfect! She/He/They love being as confusing as possible!)

  11. There is so much misconceptions about these issues and clearly nobody wants to listen to the actual science behind any of it it's all emotional.

  12. Ash, thank you so much for sharing your story. I'm so inspired by you and thankful that you make the videos that you do 🙂

  13. I totally agree. I see myself as Trans, but Non-Binary. I see Non-Binary AS Trans. On the upside, I have no fucks to give to people who are or not. The moral is JUST BE YOU. By the way, I was the very FIRST online model (1995) and am changing it up to be a non-binary tattoo model. I've got your back, guys. — I love fricking Minneapolis.

  14. Ash is so cute, he has such a lovely way of explaining things, they is so clever at painting pictures with words of feelings that are hard to define.
    I love her exuberance when he feels like people get them.

  15. All nonbinary people are trans, unless nonbinary was their assigned gender or they weren't assigned one. Trans just means you don't identify the way you were assigned. It's anyone who can say no to the question "Nice gender! Did your mom pick it out for you?"

  16. :O Ash! Ok I hope you guys read this. So I am biologically a girl. I went through a transgender "phase" when I was in highschool. Well recently those feelings have been coming back more intensely. And what ash said connected with me SO HARD instead of feeling like I don't connect with either gender. I feel all the gender. It makes so much sense now. And I would like people to say he more than she even though either one is okay. IDK I'm so confused.

  17. I'm a dinosaur now because I don't like being segregated as a human. I don't like labels and feel as though I identify more as a dinosaur.

  18. I'm starting to question my gender identity, but I feel like I'm not…queer enough? To come out. Like I don't feel like a man, but I have never been okay with being a typical woman, either. And the more I listen to trans/non-binary people I'm like, holy shit, that is me. I feel that way. I'm thirty and I've been this way since I was very young.

    When I came out as bisexual I was rejected by the local LGBT community because everyone assumed I was just doing it for male attention (I wasn't, my preference is women.) It took me so long to tell someone and getting rejected like that was awful. So I stayed mostly in the closet except with close friends. I'm also poly and pagan, and I stay in the closet with that, as well, because as Ash mentioned it seems easier. Also, I'm worried about potential custody issues with my son in the future, and being openly poly and pagan could affect that. It isn't supposed to, but I live in the bible belt. All that being said I have never addressed my gender, even though the markers are there. I also don't want to detract from the real discrimination that trans people face.

  19. “If in hanging in there now, I could just hang in there forever”.

    Oof. That hit me really hard.

    As a Christian it was at first very hard for me to accept my sexuality and I wanted to stay closeted forever, but then I realized that love is not a sin or a crime and that i was born fabulous.

    I feel like every queer or trans or genderqueer person goes through that thought in the beginning, so if anyone is struggling, just know we support you and you don’t have to hang on that little hanger in the closet and it’s not healthy ❤️

  20. I ALSO feel so much gender… it actually made me so happy to hear Ash say this because I always felt like the definition of non-binary was "neither"… but what if I feel everything?? Thanks for this video!

  21. I have heard a lot of people saying that non-binary isn't a real thing. I also have heard people saying that non-binary is just people not wanting to fit in gender stereotypes. I have been struggling to figure out a gender identity that I feel is "right" and non-binary is something that fits with me. I actually do have dysphoria about it. Some days, I'll just feel so uncomfortable with my body. Everything just feels out of place, in a way. I am too scared to tell anyone though. When I told my mom that I didn't feel completely female, she pushed it off and said it was a phase. If I have a "phase" it usually lasts a couple days, maybe a week. I have felt this way for a while. Years. I wish I could tell people to use they/them pronouns for me and use my preferred name Aiko (my birth name is very feminine and tends to cause some dysphoria for me), but I feel like it'll be pushed off. Welp.

  22. oh my god. What Ash said …. thats exsactly my problem T-T
    #hanginthereforever xDDD

    …. it doesnt work and makes me anxious

  23. Im cis het thank you ash for explaining to me what non binary is I think you have a fantastic personality and so adorable I like you and chase collabing together chase is a sweetheart

  24. Pretty late in finding this but, OMG!! I have never felt so valid in how I feel, like….I cried. This made me so happy knowing that what I have been feeling all these yrs as being a trans/non-binary human is a VALID feeling. THANK YOU BOTH!! <3

  25. I fucking hate when people refuse to take non-binary people seriously. I’ve noticed a few popular ftm youtubers (not gonna name drop) that do this, or at least lowkey throw shade, and it’s like…..why? Why?

  26. Enbyphobia! That's the word I use for transphobia for nonbinary people =D Thanks for this video it is super appreciated!

  27. Okay, I'm super confused. What is non-binary? What does it exclude? Dose bi-gendered fall under non-binay? Or do you have to feel like neither is quite right?

    Dose there have to be a 3rd element or can you sit in a nice wishy washy mid ground as non binary?

    Dose non binary refer to the fact that gender isnt only either fully man or fully woman?

  28. "I feel so much gender!" ~ this is the quote I never knew I was missing in my life. Thank you so much for having this conversation. You're amazing Ash!! 😀

  29. I’m just gonna drop dis:

    I love Ash and watch a bunch of their content but, as a pansexual, I’m offended when she implies pan and bi are the same.

  30. Yes yes and yes!!! I super relate to Ash!!! So happy to found this channel and will for sure check out Ash’s channel next!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

  31. The English language is the only language with different pronouns for different genders. In other languages everyone is addressed with the same pronoun. I work with a lot of people to whom English is not their first language and they use he/she interchangeably. I find myself having to correct as it is so different here in the English speaking world. I a cigs female and have only met 2 people on the trans spectrum. One was just in passing while the other is a good friend of mine. I see so many different people in my day to day that come from all walks of life and I always address them in their preferred manner. It's a sign of respect. I respect all people.

  32. As someone who is nonbinary and transmasculine I love this and feel very supported! This is so helpful because I also get alot of doubt, and like 'im just a transguy' or 'I need to decided which one to come out as' but this is great 😊💕 (I use they/he and agrees with the pronouns just easier for family to go with he)

  33. I feel like non-binary/gender-fluid people still count as trans because they don't identify as their biological/assigned sex

  34. I support no binary people, I just don't like the way you (Ash) describe what dysphoria is like as a non binary person because it sounds like dysmorphia and that's not a good way to show off the nonbinary community and even though I don't understand it, I'm making an effort to because to me it just looks like a mix of nothing and everything aka being androgynous and not feeling the need to label yourself at all

  35. Is it weird that I’m nb and I go by they or he (with people who don’t want to believe that they is grammatically correct) and I hate being called she and I love being called they, but I don’t despise being called he even though I’m nb

  36. chase was talking about people gatekeeping the term trans for non-binary people, but I have found the opposite. people trying to force the trans label onto me, even if I have said directly that I do not consider myself as trans.

  37. Yesss finally someone made a video like this.

    Its hurts so much when someone insults us non binary peeps like “nOn bInaRY dOesNt eXisT” “yOu cANt bE tRanS ANd nOn bInaRy”
    “NOn bInaRy trEnd cRingE”
    Goshhh im so glad you made a video of thissssss you earned yourself a sub

  38. I really like this ready i feel like i am trans and non binary i am having a vary hard time accepting my self not surw what pronuns to use for my self

  39. I'm a cis-male and today I have been trying to learn how non-binary is compatible with trans/cis. When I started googling I thought "if somebody is non-binary how can they transition to another sex". Then I learned that trans means not identifying with the sex assigned at birth (it doesn't necessary have anything to do with transitioning). And I understand it, non-binary means you identify with both/neither of male and female. So with all this new knowledge I come to the same conclusion as Ash; if someone considers themselves non-binary, doesn't that conflict with their assigned sex and thus they are trans by definition?

    Basically I went from thinking trans + non-binary seems impossible to cis + non-binary seems impossible. Feel free to educate me if you come to a different conclusion.

  40. So… Change grammar because of someone's feelings? Someone that changes all the time, so we need to update every time?
    That is not the definition of transexual, It is much more specific and implies the need of transition.

  41. I relate with Ash so much! They’re my role model, they helped me figure out who I was! Also, both of you are legends you’ve helped so many people. We love you so much!

  42. As a labelly person, I feel like some people might appreciate this information: If you feel like you really identify with Ash's "I feel SO much gender!", a specific term that might fit that is pangender. I'm not pushing that label on Ash, but if anyone else resonates with that I thought I would volunteer the vocabulary 🙂

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