sadhguru about mental illnesses, thin line between sanity and insanity

So this mental illness which is becoming pandemic They are telling me – I don’t know how far these statistics are
right – they are telling me over forty people, particularly women in America, over forty years of age, nearly fifty-two percent of them are on some
kind of antidepressants. Fifty-two percent is not a joke. Fifty-two percent is not a joke (Laughs). It means entire humanity is becoming sick. We must look at it, why? Fundamentally, because you are banking on a few things for
a long time for your mental stability and emotional stability. All these things are taken away. One thing is, as you mentioned the crime that we call as family, it gave us the support. No matter what happened, there was somebody
always for you. Others are with you when you do the right
things. If you do the wrong thing, they’ll distance
themselves. There was one bunch of people, who was like a… for the circus that you
do, they were the net. Whichever way you fall, there’s somebody to hold you for some moments. But that net is gone. Now when you fall, you fall. Because of that, people are cracking up. So if you want to remove See, in this culture, there was a time in the tradition, where thirty percent of India’s population
were monks. That means consciously they went beyond family. Consciously they chose to live without family, to live without support, to live without a home. Homelessness not out of deprivation but by
choice. Nobody ever had a depression (Laughs) because they transcended the need for the
net. You learnt your trapeze bar act really well, now you can do it without the net. You are not good at it, you better have a
net, isn’t it (Laughs)? Otherwise your head will crack. Right now, that’s all that’s happening. The traditional support system that we had, we’re taking it off. When we talked about religion, with all due respect, we must acknowledge
this. Today people are trying to go to psychiatrists. India doesn’t have enough psychiatrists
for one-billion people, believe me. No country has. And above all, they’re very
inefficient because they can take only one client at a
time and they need lot of furniture like this (Few
laugh). It’s very inefficient. Religion handled human psychological balance
effortlessly. “God is with you, don’t worry.” It settled a whole lot of people. Do not underestimate the value of that. It is very inexpensive mass psychiatry, where people (Karan Johar laughs) No people No, no, I’m not This is not a joke. When you are mentally ill, it’s not a joke. It’s a most painful thing. If you get physical ailments, you will get
everybody’s compassion. When you get mental ailment, you’ll get
laughter, you know, unfortunately. Because you don’t know when somebody is
sick and when s… somebody is being stupid. Tch, you can’t make out. This is the biggest problem for those families, who have somebody in the
family, who is mentally disturbed. You don’t know when they are making it up, when they are really suffering. You can’t make out. There is no perfect way. There is no science anywhere to tell you exactly
when because human beings can make up every kind
of thing. You are an actor, you know. I don’t know, you… you are actor or…? Interviewer (Karan Johar): I do most things,
yeah. Sadhguru: Okay (Laughter). Interviewer (Karan Johar): We act even in
our day-to-day existence, all of us do (Laughs). Sadhguru: No, that is fine, but are you actor?
Just director? Interviewer (Karan Johar): No, no. I tried,
I failed (Laughter). Sadhguru: Okay. So, all right, you are a bad
actor (Laughter). Interviewer (Karan Johar): Yeah. But I am an actor nonetheless. Sadhguru: But at least you make other people
act? Interviewer (Karan Johar): Yes. Sadhguru: So, you know, in a cinema or drama,
you can act something and make it really real to a point, where these 10000 people will sit and experience
like it’s real. So, when a mentally ill person is in your
home, you don’t know whether he’s acting it
up or it’s real. Sometimes it’s real, sometimes he’s playing with it. You can’t make out. You don’t know when to be compassionate, when to be hard on him. This is the biggest problem for people, who
have mentally ill people in… within their homes. This is the huge problem because there is no perfect way of making
a judgment. And it is not joke. See, human sanity is a very fragile thing. The line between sanity and insanity is so
thin. If you push it every day, you will cross it. See, when you get angry, what do you say, what’s the expression? “I am mad with you” or “I am mad right
now.” So you are enjoying that little bit of madness. You crossed the line and it felt like it’s some kind of a freedom and power. But one day when you cannot cross back, that is when suffering begins. And suffering means, it’s not like physical pain, it’s immense suffering. I have been around people who have been mentally
ill, trying to help them. It is Nobody should have it. But unfortunately, it’s becoming an epidemic
in the world, that mental illnesses are growing like never
before because all the supports they had we are pulling
it out without replacing it. If people become so conscious and so capable
within themselves, you pull all the supports, everything will
be fine. But without giving that competence, you just pull the supports, people will crack. In the Western societies, it’s happening
large scale. We are not going to be far behind. Especially the urban societies in India will
move in this direction because once again in many ways, urban India is more West than West. There are more people in denims here than
in America (Both laugh). Interviewer (Karan Johar): Well, no, thank
you, thank you for that because I know it is definitely a crisis that
plagues us and some, as I said, seek help. Some who are helped, I am happy for them and I am sure grateful
for resources that are available. And those that find pleasantness within themselves, I think that truly is a glorious solution
to their issues Sadhguru: See, when we say pleasantness, human pleasantness can be looked at in many
different ways. One simple way of looking at it – because medical science is looking at it that
way, I don’t see it that way, but that’s a consequence for me – is every human experience has a chemical
basis to it. What you call as peace, joy, love, turmoil,
tranquility, agony, ecstasy, everything has a chemical balance… chemical
basis to it. Even health and ill health has a chemical
basis to it. Today entire pharmacology is just about trying to manage your health by using chemicals. It’s a… Today or… a doctor’s or a
physician’s job is, it’s an orchestra of chemistry that he’s
trying to manage. Put this pill, something more happened, put that pill, then something less happened, then do this,
do that – trying to manage the orchestra of chemistry
because this (Referring to oneself) is the most complex
chemical factory on the planet. This (Referring to oneself) is a very complex
chemical factory. Managing it from outside is (Laughs) very,
very difficult. But you could manage it from inside, but you must have access to your insides If your innards are not available to you, then how do you manage it from inside? You only try to manage it from outside. All, even mental illness is a largely being
managed by chemical input. But all the chemicals that you can think of
on this planet are in some way already present in this (Referring
to oneself). Whether you are seeking medically prescribed
drugs or you’re s… going for the backstreet
drugs, whatever you are going, essentially you are trying to bring pleasantness
within yourself because health means one level of pleasantness. If… If body becomes pleasant, we call this
health. If it becomes very pleasant, we call this
pleasure. If your mind becomes pleasant, we call this
peace. If it becomes very pleasant, we call this
joy. If your emotions become pleasant, you call
this love. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it compassion. If your very energies become pleasant, we
call this bliss. If it becomes very pleasant, we call it ecstasy. If your surroundings become pleasant, we call
this success (Applause). So, we are trying to manage pleasantness by
putting chemicals. To what extent means – these statistics are out now – in United States, they are saying seventy percent of the population is on some kind of prescription medication. The (Laughs) most affluent country, where
there is enormous choice of nourishment and lifestyles, here seventy percent are on prescribe… prescription
medication. So you are trying to manage your sanity and
your health by putting chemicals from outside. But there is no doubt in anybody’s mind
today that this (Referring to oneself) is the greatest
chemical factory , but right now ill-managed. Essentially, you are a lousy CEO (Both laugh). Interviewer (Karan Johar): That is true. What has always, Sadhguru, has also left me
in wonderment at times about the usage of two words, which I am going to say it to you right now. Terminology sometimes has a tendency of making
you even receive an emotion from within. Two words being ego and self-respect. Now these are two pillars of (Sadhguru laughs) what we believe is self-confidence, which is unfounded, I believe. Ego Sadhguru: Hey, who put a cow next to me (Laughter)? Interviewer (Karan Johar): Sorry? Sadhguru: Who put a cow next to me? Interviewer (Karan Johar): Put a (Laughs) Well, topical at least (Both laugh). It’s part of the décor or something. Sadhguru: Because everywhere I go, people have been asking me questions about
Gau Rakshak, Gau Rakshak (Referring to members of the Bhartiya
Gau Raksha Dal, a Hindu nationalist right-wing federation of cattle protection movements
in India). Now they put a cow next to me (Laughter). Interviewer (Karan Johar): Well, I was planning
not to go down that path but now (Sadhguru laughs) then since you brought it up (Laughs) No, no, not going there. As I was saying about ego and self-respect, like we always say, like my belief has always been that maintain
your self-respect, keep that, your ego can be flexible because it should be convenient (Sadhguru
laughs) because I believe like your ego should be
a function of your convenience (Laughs). How true is that or maybe both are unfounded? Sadhguru: This ego should be a function of
your convenience is perfect, but nobody knows where ego is within themselves. Do you know? Interviewer (Karan Johar): No. Sadhguru: Nobody knows. Interviewer (Karan Johar): It arises at will,
I think. Sadhguru: No, no, no. Ego is a fall guy. When you do the good things, it’s of course
it’s you who did it. When you do nat… nasty things “Oh, it was my ego.” He is a fall guy. He comes up whenever thungs… something goes
wrong (Karan Johar laughs). Whenever you are seen in a bad light, “It was my ego, it’s not me.” So, people have created a whole lat lot of jo… jargon like this, “my ego, my self, my consciousness, my super-consciousness” many things. First everybody must decide Within this body of yours, how many people
are residing, you must tell me (Laughter/Applause). If there is anything more than one, it means you… either you are schizophrenic
or you are possessed (Laughter). You need either a psychiatrist or an exorcist
(Laughter). So you are an individual. An individual means not further divisible
– indivisible. This is why you are an individual. That means there is only one. This is the healthiest state to be, that you
understand there is only you here, nobody else but you, if you realize this, then you will function completely differently. But you start playing this game – whenever you are in difficulty, you say, “It
was my ego”, whenever something else happens, you say,
“It’s myself”, another time you say, “my lower self, higher
self” (Karan Johar laughs), all kinds of stuff, many identities within you. See, this is the nature of a criminal – alias,
alias, alias, alias, you know? So, it’s a crime that you started. Whether you will be caught in the web of that
or you will manage doing See, if you do minimal amount of crime, you
may manage. Only when you really get into it, then you may get into the web. Otherwise, many people commit small-time crime and then become very respectable in the society
(Both laugh). So, if you do little crime of ego business,
self business, all this and then become normal, you’re
okay. But if you play it too much, you will become mentally ill. Because if there is more than one in this
(Referring to oneself), you will become sick. There you are an individual, you are just
one. Now it’s very easy to transform this (Referring
to oneself). You can’t transform a crowd of people. You can only transform individual people (Laughs). And if you take away this fall guy, one fundamental thing you have to do with
yourself is to see that no matter what happens in my life, if pleasant things happen, if unpleasant things happen, whether I am joyful or miserable, I’m successful or a failure, you know it’s just you, you and you alone. Otherwise, when things happen well, “Me”, when things don’t happen well (Karan Johar
laughs) Interviewer (Karan Johar): So you say we always
tend to blame ourselves into various parts and then divine forces as well. Sadhguru: It’s convenient, it’s very convenient. But this self-respect – no, no, you should have no self-respect. Others (Karan Johar laughs) Respect is from another person. “I respect myself” – what is this rubbish (Laughter/Applause)? Somebody else respects you because they see
some value to you, it’s nice (Karan Johar laughs). But “I respect myself” – what is this? This is (Laughs) This is… It’s gone further in the West and people say, “I love myself.” See, to respect, to love, the very word they are using is there must be two. You can love somebody, somebody can love you. You can respect somebody, somebody can respect
you. But “I love myself, I respect myself”, this terminology is this (the?) terminology
of the insane. But it’s becoming popular because the numbers are growing (Laughter/Applause).


  1. Sorry, but mental illness comes from families with no net, when you fall all the time as a child you get trauma. When you have net you slowly grow and then become self sufficient. Of course you can have net as child but no education, but thats just a subcategory of problems.

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