Perry Porter | S1 Ep8

– Welcome to The Artist Politic, Today we’re with Perry
Porter at Life On Mars. He’s a visual artist and MC. We talk about the role strong
women play in his work, mental health, and finding
his place in the art world. (Theme Music) – Perry Porter. – What up? – Welcome to the show, sir. – Thank you for having me, man. – Yeah, thanks for coming through. – I appreciate it.
– Yeah. – Of course, of course. – Of course I’m gonna
ask you about Bobby Ross. – Yeah. (laughing) – So your most recent record. It’s decidedly multi-disciplinary. Seems like you’re going at it. Of course it’s a hip hop
record, with you as the MC. But it’s also showcasing that you are a visual artist as well. So you’ve been doing the hip
hop thing for a long time. – Yeah a very long time. (laughing) – Yeah, yeah, but the visual
art part of it is a newer. – Yeah, that’s a definitely a lot newer. Started about last four or five years. – So were you thinking at the beginning of the art part of it, were you thinking of these
things would meet up together? Was that always kind of the plan or not? What happened? – It actually wasn’t, it
was to keep them separate. – Really? Like decidedly separate? – I was a part of group at a point, so I wanted to just focus
on just being a painter and not like ’cause I just (mumbles)
trying to do stuff, trying to balance yourself
or trying to make your image, too much for people, would
be too much to handle. So I even knew at that time a lot of people were advising
me not to try to do both. So I really wanted to keep it separate so that people would actually
respect me as a painter, and then I could just do
the rap thing on the side. – So wait, so people advising you to not try and do both,
what was that rooted in? What’s the fear there? – It was marketing, that fact that people
just gonna be confused, are you a painter or a rapper? You have to be just
one thing at that time. – People can’t handle seeing you do both. – Yeah, a lot of people
didn’t want manage me at the time for it. So it was really weird. – Yeah. – Really, really weird. – Yeah, do you think is
there like a perception that if the art world knows
that you are a hip hop artist they won’t take you seriously? – I would say yeah. I would say that. It even kind of is that way. I know that when musicians or when especially rappers
find out I do paint, they love it so much more. And then when the art world, I don’t even really bring
up the music that much. – Really? – Yeah. It really is a weird stigma
for being a hip hop artist or in general, just being a
black person in contemporary art is still a little. – Is it? Yeah, I like that you’re
going straight into that. I had that line of questioning later. But shoot, man, let’s get into, man. What is it like, ’cause you’ve been in the music scene, the hip hop music scene for like we were saying, a long time. I’m guessing you feel pretty comfortable in that community, right? And now you’re doing the painting thing and I would imagine is a
very different community. – It is. I’m still trying to figure it out ’cause I’m honestly feel like I’m more of in the graffiti
world still right now. A lot of my friends are graffiti artists and they’re still trying
to break their way into the contemporary world as well. But like I said, it’s just a
lot more closed conversations that I expose a lot of
the resources to us. So a lot of that stuff. And with the hip hop community, there’s so much more people trying to help the younger cats out. You don’t really see that
in the art world that much. It’s when people find
they’ve got their ways, they don’t to let anyone know
anything how they got it. – Interesting. I don’t know much about the art world. But that’s how from
the outside looking in, that’s how I’ve always
thought it was, you know? Like the fancy galleries,
and it’s impossible to get in because they’re gatekeepers, and they have ideas of
what art is or isn’t. – Yeah, it’s really,
really, even now I’m still kind of in the underground art world, like there’s still too many worlds to that it’s really confusing. It’s really a lotta, it’s
so much mysteriousness to how things are mood,
even how they price stuff. I’m still trying to
figure it out myself, but. – [Charlie] I’m sure
it’s a lot to figure out. Well you were just saying that you’re, the part of the art
community you’re part of is maybe more the graffiti
culture kinda thing. But for the people that don’t know, your medium is largely watercolors, right? Which is maybe as far away as
you can get from spray cans. What drew you to that medium? – I think it was really like the fact that you couldn’t completely control it. I like that it was like almost
dancing with the medium. You could manipulate
it to do certain things but that’s just about it and just loving the water aspect of it. I know when I first got into it ’cause I needed some album art. And I had kind of the visual idea of it, I just didn’t really wasn’t even familiar with watercolor at that time. And I see the artist name
(mumbles), who does watercolor and that just turned me out
and just got my brain turning and then I just went on Amazon, bought a bunch of shit
and was like let’s get it. – [Charlie] That’s cool man. So before you made that Amazon order had you even picked up a paint brush? – No I’ve draw my whole
life, I’m really into anime but I’d never painted ever before that. I didn’t know anything
about any of the oil, acrylic mediums, I didn’t know anything. Like it was completely new
to me about seven years ago and I just really used
all the discipline I have from just making music and all that and just kinda applied
it to the art stuff. – What were those first paintings like? – Oh man they, they really
just looked like drawings. Just drawings with a little bit of color. I was like really afraid
at first to just let it, just do what it does
’cause with watercolor it can get really messy and
very very (mumbles) really fast. So it was just always learning that. It just took a lotta time
to me like letting go of all the control over that. First ones were very controlled,
sit there and be like it did not look like anything now. – Yeah so you embraced that,
you embrace the messiness now? And you enjoy the lack of control? – Yeah ’cause that’s like my actual life. (laughing) I really am very free
flowing kind of a person so it was just, applied it more to the art and it’s kinda worked out now, even now it’s spilled
over on both sides a lot. – I was gonna ask yeah, like
before you started painting how did you approach your
hip hop side of things? Were you? – Super free flowing. – Were you embracing of the? Yeah you’re embracing. – I don’t write any of my lyrics down so I kinda like walk around
the room and freestyle and whatnot ’cause I felt
like I can do it that way, I’m not feel like I’m reading something. I can just can be completely
lost in the music. So now that’s what I’m
trying to approach that with paintings and stuff now. So I’ve always had that approach
with art, I mean with music where I just kinda let
the music just happen. I never really thought too much about it ’cause through high school I
did the whole discipline thing learning how to do the bars and how to do all the multiple
syllables and all that. Just have fun now,
you’ve had the hard part, you’ve taught it like school, like you’re a professional now, or treat yourself like a
professional and just have fun. – Who’s teaching you that
early on kinda more rigid? – It was my friends. Like I got more into beats, then I hung out with a lotta guys who were into underground rap. So one day they just heard me rapping and they’re like you
have a really cool voice. They gave me a bunch of CDs and just like kinda just taught me. And they were like really the guys who, if they got 30 beats they’re
gonna write 30 beats that day. I used to think that stuff was insane but it really did help
discipline a lot of stuff. – And how, what was that
process like kind of ’cause I kinda know a
little bit about this like I went to jazz school, I went to Cornish down the street, and there’s so I’m a trained jazz guy and there’s a lot that
comes with that, right? But then at some point you have to break away from that training. It’s like you have that
background and that structure but then at some point
you have to break away and become an artist for yourself. What was that process like for you? – With the music it was so much easier ’cause I never really thought about it. I went to school to, I was
in band, so I did drum line and all that stuff, but
I was like the bad kid so I never really took it serious but I did it all through grade school, so like the music was
always kinda just embedded. So I just think from the fact of just kinda being a bad reckless kid, and kinda just I always had the thing where I kinda wanted to
break the rules a little bit but I always just had the stubbornness that’s the one of the
better kids in the class. I’m a still do it my way, so this music-wise it
just always happened, and I just had to actually see
myself for the painting thing when I was realizing
I just couldn’t escape letting the watercolor
do its thing and stuff. So that took a lot more time. That took me just forcing myself to paint in days where it was just a
bunch of shitty paintings. (laughing) – Yup, part of the process. But now I can vouch for
them, they’re not shitty. – [Perry] Thank you. – Graduated to not shitty paintings. No they’re beautiful man,
they’re so, I love them so much, they’re so great. Many of them feature women,
feature the female form and all kinds of different
ways but, as far as I can tell it’s a good number of your
paintings feature women. Is that a conscious thing, do you have strong women in your life? – Yeah I have really really
strong women in my life. My mother, she’s like, at one
point she was a single mother, so she’s always just
kinda rolled like that. My sister’s been a single mother pretty much her whole
life so I’ve watched that. And I have seven nieces, so I’ve been an uncle
for almost 18 years now. So I’ve been an uncle
since I was nine, you know? Pretty much so like. Just always having women
with huge personalities, who are very unapologetic, and that’s just what I’m used to and love. So I love women who gonna
just say what they want, wear what they want, do what they want, and I just really wanna push that just having nieces I
understand the points of me being a male and being in their lives. I don’t have to tell them how to be women ’cause that’s not my job, they just know that I do
appreciate them, what they do. In America I feel like
there’s not many people who could understand their struggles much. Black women go through more
than I feel like anybody has. I know a lot of, as black
people I know a lot of males we talk about that we don’t
talk about how they are the backbone of a lot of
the community and shit. I feel that’s important. And just seeing how it’s resonated
with even just my nieces, my mother, or just people who
are coming to the art shows. And them finally getting
to see a representation of themselves, so it’s cool. Or even just white women, women of color they still see that
representation in themselves, you know it doesn’t have
to just be a black person who sees it which is awesome. – What do you think when they see that, what do you think resonates with them? – I think it’s like the imperfections. I don’t try to make it seem perfect, but it seems like
everyone always (mumbles) the fact they like that every woman seems like they’re very
emotional in painting, but they seem very strong, like
they’re holding it together but they’ve been through a lotta stuff. And I just feel like that is something that every woman I definitely
feel like can relate to. There’s levels to it of course but definitely that’s something in America we could all resonate with
that we have this thing of covering up what we’re doing with the. – When you’re at art shows
and you have women connecting with your art and maybe
you’re mingling around, talking to people, what
kind of stories come up? Does that bring out emotions
and stories from the viewers? – Yeah there’s been a few. It’s more just giving praise and respect. Another thing of I love
the way you capture women, you’re not trying to make them look like the American standard,
beauty standard and whatnot. And then there’s certain
ones where a couple might see themselves in the painting
and then they talk about that, or I wanna get this for my girlfriend, I wanna get this for the wife. And they’ll go into a story
how they see their actual wife or something, or their
sister in that painting. This looks like my cousin so I wanna go buy this for my cousin. That’s always the coolest part. – That’s great. What have you learned from this newfound painting
passion and career? What have you learned there
and been able to apply to your hip hop life? – How important representation is. How many people are just paying attention to your life in general. I just know that like,
just I’m not a very, besides just posting stuff online, I’m not a very open person, just knowing that people are watching and that I am in a position of
where people do look up to me so I must be aware of the things I do or even the things I create and know that I do have a purpose with it. – [Charlie] Is there pressure there? Or do you enjoy that kind of position? – I enjoy it ’cause it keeps
me I feel like a better person. Keeps me more well-rounded
and just more open to stuff. And I’m not really afraid
of kind of who I am and I feel like that’s kinda
what people gravitate toward is, I’m very comfortable in my own skin. That’s it’s just a funner
challenge to just be a better me I guess you could say. – It’s a good place to be. (laughing) That’s awesome. So let’s talk about this record. It’s a full length record. The artwork and the
packaging and everything is very representative of your visual art, influence, and life at this point. But let’s talk about the music side of it. Is there a through line of a theme going through all those songs, 12 songs? – I guess you could kinda say. Though I guess the underlying
real theme of the project for myself is it’s just
like me coming to age and being an artist,
like an actual artist. Making a living doing it. But I take pride in I was kinda raised by a lotta like drug
dealers and stuff like that and quote on quote hustlers
or people who (mumbles) away so just making money against
odds and stuff like that. So that’s even another underlying thing is this is my persona of if you don’t have to
look up to a dope dealer, you can look up to an art
dealer, you know what I’m saying? Like there’s different ways to make money but still keep it within the
hip hop community of being a hustler so that’s more of the
underlining tone of the album. – Cool. And then as part of the album artwork you’ve assigned like a
color wheel to each song and so each track has its own
color and kind of description. Describe how that came about and? – Oh man this, it was a
lotta came through it. I’ve always kinda had the concept, it was a larger concept at one point where I wanted to make EPs
that were based on each color. But I just knew that would
just take up a lot of my time. (laughing) And yeah I was just going
through when I do albums and I like make a list and ideas of just so many different concepts, just ways of kind of
playing with the music. And one day I was just studying
some color theory stuff and I was just looking I was like oh man there’s 12 colors in
there and I finished 12 songs and I just kinda looked at it and it was already in the same format. So I was like oh man maybe
if I just had to switch, I think it was maybe two songs. – [Charlie] Really? – So I was like oh yeah
it worked out perfectly. – [Charlie] Just like fit. – Yeah. – [Charlie] That’s amazing. – And then just going through
the songs a little bit more and just kinda like making sure, so like there’s a song called “Bust That” and it’s the yellow song. So I would just actually
just visually watch a bunch of yellow things
while playing that song to make sure it fit for me. – Do you think you have synesthesia? – I looked into it. I don’t think it does ’cause
it’s so much more complex. When I looked they have like even colors already assigned for even different notes and it gets really really complex. But I just feel like this project
let me know that I just am more in tune with the rapping
and painting side of things. More or less in the, what’s it called? – Synesthesia. – Synesthesia yeah. – That’s not an easy word to say. (laughing) – So I feel like in the songs are more, I guess more of the mood
of what the color brings, so actually visually seeing the color. – Yeah yeah. You ready for the lightning round? – Oh yeah let’s do it, let’s do it. – If you could paint a permanent mural anywhere in the world,
where would you put it? – Oh man. I think it might have to be
on a pyramid or something. I think that’d be cool. – That’s solid. What do you think it would be of? You were gonna, if you could
have a mural on a pyramid? – I got two. One it would be fun to do emojis ’cause I just had a
conversation with my friend and we were talking about how
it’s pretty ironic how emojis and hieroglyphics are kinda
almost the same thing, they’re like turning into the same thing. So that would just be funny to do. But I would probably just do some wild just free flow Perry paint
stuff and to see what happens. It’d be cool to make some nice
stuff and then kinda see eyes and stuff from planes and
whatnot for flying by it so. But the emoji thing would be fun. (laughing) – Well let’s look into it and see if we could make it happen. How does Bob Ross know
that trees are happy? – ‘Cause he smokes a lotta weed. (laughing) – How does Bobby Ross
know the trees are happy? – He smokes even more weed. (laughing) – What’s the best creative lesson you’ve learned in the last five years? – Don’t overthink shit for sure. And like I would say the people, I don’t really believe in writer’s block or even the creation
block, you just make stuff and then that time where
you feel like you have it is like your genius, so that’s
another thing for myself. I’ve got to where I can create everyday and I’m okay with what I’m creating just ’cause I know I’m
pushing for that moment to have that genius and
that will be that moment. I’m into so yeah. Those are the two things. – Who are two local painters
the world should know about? – She’s already kinda
famous, Cristina Mendez, she’s doing her thing she’s from Tacoma. She’s really big online but I feel like people don’t know that she’s the local artist. And she does a lot of amazing things. I’ll say my boy Afro. He’s really ambitious,
really really ambitious. It’s nice to say he’s one person who I see creating everyday nonstop. He finds different ways,
he’ll put shows together like yeah he’s another person I feel like the world should be paying
attention to a lot more. – What music do you
listen to while you paint? – It depends, sometimes
it gets really ratchet, you know (mumbles) music. Sometimes it’s some bossa nova stuff. I really like bossa nova,
I don’t understand anything they’re saying but man
it gets me in the groove. Sometimes get into really like
horror sounding jazz music. My girlfriend hates when
I play this shit but. It’s just so crazy to me interesting, I know what’s the guy’s name? Man I forget the name now. I’ll have to come back to that. – Like some 60s free jazz shit? – Yup. – Cool man. Fantastic lightning round, thank you. (laughing) That’s great. You have spoken publicly
in some interviews about being manic depressive. And if you’re all right
talking about that stuff, I think it’s super interesting. Can you just get into what that means, what does that mean for
your day to day life? What does it feel like
to be in a manic state? – It’s, I wouldn’t necessarily
say it’s like two people, it’s more of like the same day but like night and day
I guess you could say. I could go through a few
weeks where I just feel like the shittiest person and
I really will reflect on just the last few months, and it’s mostly after
like what I would say are my Leo moments. Where it’s like I’m
really super confident, I’m really into everything I’m doing, I’m like in this super high, and then I get to a point
where it’s like almost crash and I reflect and look
at all the reckless ways I was even acting in that thing, or like not realizing I was
almost like such an asshole it seems at certain
points, you’re not even, it’s actually being too reckless. And they say you get to that point, you just really get depressive
and really just like I sleep more, I don’t wanna
leave the house, all that. I don’t feel like I wanna
necessarily kill myself or anything like that, I
just am not in the mood and then like I’m not very responsive to talking and all that. And then when I get
back into the Leo moods, get confident and all that. But those are far more
aggressive so that can mean I’m a lot more angry, I’m a
lot more harder to deal with. It’s just and I don’t
really know when it happens until it starts, like
I’m in the middle of it. So I’m (mumbles) a lot
more self-aware of it. I had a really bad one a few years ago and it was like even online I was exploding on people
and doing way too much. It’s just it’s a mood swing
kind of thing for the most part. And it’s not a happen at
the moment mood swing, it’s mood swings that
last for a few weeks. And sometimes you aren’t
really aware of it. ‘Cause it is who you are, it’s just kinda the
extremes of who you are. – Man is that exhausting? – Yeah it gets exhausting sometimes. Sometimes it just makes me more self aware ’cause you realize like
man for these three months I was just like I’m not
even talking to my family, and I’m like having excuses for why I’m not even doing these things. And then you just feel like man like I miss so many parts of life. It gets, it can get exhausting,
it can get really annoying, but at the same time I’m
learning more about it so there’s even times where I know I’m
like in the ramping kinda mode. So I’ve like, if I’m
gonna argue with someone I kinda realize all right
you know where this is going or like just being more
attentive to my actual emotions. It’s been helping. I definitely am going
to start looking into like actually doing therapy
’cause I’ve never done that and then getting more actual
help with this sometimes. – Yeah I was gonna ask
like are you getting? – I’m not like, it’s such a stigma thing
in black communities. – [Charlie] Is it? – Yeah like growing up it
was just I’m just bad kid or I’m just acting out. And then you don’t realize
it till there’s relationships or like friendships
and stuff that you ruin and you look back and you see the patterns you’re like oh no this is. I only act like that in this times. And we’ve had this same art,
like a friend we’ve had these conversations, and this time
I acted completely different. And I realize it was in this moment. When they were talking before about it? Came out completely different. Or even I might’ve been more passive. Definitely something I wanna
get more control and hold on. – Sounds like you’re managing
it just by being aware. Are there other things
you do to manage it? – Just conversations. I’ve fucked up a lotta stuff
that, this maybe (mumbles), and just my family deals
with a lot of mental issues, like I said it’s not talked
about much in our family. So that’s another reason why I’ve kind of, I guess have a better understanding of it or more comfortable with it
because I seen it so much in my household and then
like when I hung out with my other friends and
realizing certain things or having conversation with other people who’ve had mental disorders
or who are manic depressives. Seeing all that and it’s like all right, I do need to see somebody to see that. Like before was just
this is just who I am. Then as we went all
right this is for real. Then I talked to somebody about it I was like all right this
is what you do (mumbles). – You were saying just a minute ago about that there’s a stigma. And you were saying it
in the black community but I think there’s a
stigma across the board. – Honestly I agree. – Why do you think that is? What do you think people are afraid of, why are people afraid to
talk about that stuff? – I don’t know I’ve always,
I’ve tried to always wonder that and I think it’s
it may be an ego thing that we just feel like that’s not a thing. ‘Cause even when I think
like physical things, we all have some type
of physical problems, or even allergic reactions
to certain things, so it’s like why can’t
we have something that’s, I wanna say not normal
or it’s just different with our brains like
sometimes when I think of mental disorders I don’t think
of it as an actual problem. Probably I’m not educated on
my kind of emotions enough so that’s why it’s kinda back-lashed. It needs to be talked
about more, I think it is even when we everything’s perfect, so it’s just easier to sweep
it under the rug I guess. Or we have this idea there’s
this certain mentality that you need to have and
if you don’t have that or you don’t act this
way then you’re labeled a crazy person or a unstable person, where it’s really just I
got extreme emotions really. I just have to learn to
deal with a lot better. – But maybe if we could
communicate more about it, it’d be easier for you to feel
like you could get the help you need and maybe kinda
like even things out for you. So like when you’re in that rollercoaster, I’m guessing during the manic
times you’re getting tons of shit done, you’re
painting your ass off. – Sleeping two hours a day. And I was even what first
thing that’s what I realized is like you don’t sleep you really, she’s like you’ll go six months
when you’re not sleeping. You’ll get stuff done,
you’ll get so much done but you’re just really in this mode, and then like say it’s I
think I can do anything and everything at that
moment and it’s just. So then like three, four
months later I’m super sick, exhausted, and really
groggy, I’m very irritated. I realize that’s like three months that I feel shitty about myself. – Well you were talking earlier about the kind of hustle
culture that you grew up in and how you’re applying
that to your art and music, but man it’s hard to hustle when you’re in a depressive state, right? Easy to hustle when you’re manic. – Yeah and it’s like I don’t
even wanna leave the house. I’ll have an excuse for
I don’t wanna do that. I’ll notice I’m not even
attempting as much it just yeah. – How has that affected your career? It must have. – Yeah it’s affected a lot. It’s why I had to step
away from the ogre I was just ’cause it was just because
I wasn’t aware of it so much I’ve caused so many things where it’s like oh we’re doing so well and then that three months
where I don’t wanna make music. I don’t wanna do this, I
don’t really wanna go out, we gonna have to do this show. And then I know these are great
opportunities for yourself. A lot of that. Or I don’t wanna work
with this person today. Enjoying though like I could show up and make a bunch of music, I could do it, but it’s like today I
just don’t feel like it, I’m just gonna drop the ball. – When you are in that
downward swing are you able to some days push through
and kinda show up and create? – I’ve been trying to get better at it. That was really like the main reason for the morning sketches that
I was doing on Instagram. Was to like I do try to draw every morning but when I do get in those
things it’s just like oh I’ll just not, so I have
to post something everyday was kinda force me to kinda
get outta those habits and being like it is okay to be in this, like it’s not a terrible
day it’s just more or less I kinda see them as my off days and just learning how to do those better so they’re just sulking in. – Do you feel like you create different things on those days? Do you write different rhymes? Do you paint different things? – I think I do more of
the background stuff a lot better at those times. I think when I’m in like the manic thing it’s everything’s done at that moment. And I feel like when it’s (mumbles) kinda reflect and really
realize what I was doing. ‘Cause I just really,
sometimes I live too much in the moment where
you’re doing way too much. – Man that’s that sounds tough. – Hell yeah it’s wild but now that being an artist
has made my life a lot easier. Having a full time job was a lot rougher, especially not sleeping
and stuff like that. Important job where you haven’t slept yet and then you wanna sleep
when you’re halfway there. It’s wild. – [Charlie] That’s tough,
that’s a tough life. Where does politics and
social justice fit in with your music and your
paint and visual art? – I used to be better at it. The last I think two years
I’ve been slipping a lot. – What is better mean? Doing it more? – Doing it more like just
more of paying attention. I feel like this last year I haven’t paid as much
attention as I need to. – To just like the what’s
going on in the world, the crazy headlines? – Just even locally. I can’t even say that to myself
I would honestly (mumbles) I definitely paid attention
a lot more (mumbles) stuff. That was another reason but I felt like I need
to do a lot more of that. And that comes too from me
seeing the responsibility I’m starting to have more in my community. So it is something I feel
like I should just be paying a lot more attention to or just speaking more
about and how you sit with. That is the luxury I do
have with being a rapper is I can say kinda what I want, so I should just use
that power a lot more. – So is that in the plans for like? – Oh yeah definitely, definitely. – Do you have some things cooking like that you’re saying some shit? – I’m definitely gonna yeah. I definitely am (mumbles), I’m ready to ruffle some feathers. – What, without giving away too much, what are you talking about? – Just some more
representation, more of a, especially I feel like even with this more the hip hop community stuff
too, is taking more ownership in that, teaching a lot
more business stuff too, and just understanding
like a lot of redlining and all this stuff that goes
on in politics and stuff, hearing and speaking more for that. I used to do a lot more stuff
with even Boys and Girls Clubs and just like just keeping more
people informed about stuff. As an artist I do even have
more time to learn about things. I know that’s, my friends used
to tell me that that you’re the friend who informs us on
so much stuff, it’s like wow. I get to make art everyday
so I get to just surf online and do a bunch of research so
just using that a lot more. Just as, for that time I was
using it more to educate myself for art, and now I’ve gotten
coming of age with that, so like let’s shift a little bit more. And I feel like that would
help with even finding ways to visually represent my community more if I understood that a lot more, too. – Yeah well great man. Perry Porter, thank
you for coming through. – This was fun bro. – Yeah thanks for chatting with us. – Oh yeah, thank you
appreciate it. (Theme Music)

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